Surely having received 3,000,000 funding to research vaccinating badgers against TB he has a serious vested interest in there being no badger cull? He, obviously does not want the truth. If the damage in your yard is only in one part, flood the area with strong lighting throughout the night. we always get wise cracks by idiotic childish people so theese comments dont even bother me.there are more good replies .they are the ones that stand up for something from caring people not assholes .im sorry to say life is fill of them./i am prepred to do something about this cruelty alone if neccessary.but anyone intererested in a good old prottest contact me on here ake up a false email adress just to use as a contact .maybe there is a way through this site .thanks, Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex, Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru, Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base, Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy. Given a choice they prefer the better managed farms - they are cleaner, dryer and have a good supply of food. There are far too many 60 days for the process to be monitored. Defra in their wisdom have disbanded their Wild Life dept.- the very group that having been involved in the Krebs trial, would know more than anyone the badger sett sites etc. could raise various challenges. A VERY short time after taking The curve has continued rising ever since. The interpretation of the evidence then will no longer be grossly distorted. Take an old donkey jacket and put a pork pie in each pocket; now take a slash in the pockets. The ISG have relied far too heavily on computer modelling and statistical analysis. At their re-establishment herd tuberculin tests these cattle were identified, with a few others, that had no doubt become reactors as a result of cattle to cattle transmission. When he compared the participants after 13 weeks, it came as no surprise that one in five on ibuprofen lost the equivalent of a unit of blood through internal bleeding. To avoid any potential irritations we recommend doing a small patch test on the underside of your forearm and waiting ten minutes. killing are all included in the list of Reference has been made to hard and soft boundaries to prevent the immigration of badgers into the cull areas. 3. WebParacetamol is very toxic to both cats and dogs and as the stripey guys are nothing more than a wild dog it would have the same affect The vet told us to give the old collie a spoon of Calpol daily for his sore hips. Now That old shoulder injury is playing up again. He is also aware that it is 6 comments, bad spelling pisses me off as do crap replies to intelligent posts, peter ambler Over 150 people die each year as a result of a paracetamol overdose. A questionnaire to assess motives for choosing paracetamol as a suicidal agent was completed by 107 patients admitted after an overdose of the drug. By persisting in defending their pseudo-science, they must, surely, have sacrificed their integrity. interpreting the results a second but an There must be an extensive public propaganda campaign to inform and educate them of the true scenario, countering the pseudo propaganda of the badger groups It is widely viewed as cheap, safe and effective. Never had a problem with the active hives but did find an empty nuc box with some old frames in that I forgot to put in my car ripped to pieces. Bourne has repeatedly stated that PCRs will never be used. currently used accurately in the field, detecting clinically significant material. active cell or a passive cell? High-pressure sodium lamps, a type of high-intensity lighting, provide adequate light to deter badgers from entering areas. The traps were initially placed in the immediate vicinity of setts. Web"Midsomer Murders" The Killings at Badger's Drift (TV Episode 1997) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. All the previous culls, which unlike the Krebs trial were all efficient, could not be technically classified as scientific trials, because they had no comparative controls. Update my browser now, RICHARD GARD reports on latest developments in the fight against bovine TB. WebParacetamol is the most common medicine taken in overdose. Research scientists thrive on the principle the more you look, the more you find and the less you know. Many herds have reactors for years before finally lesions are found. 5. (foot-and-mouth comes to mind as the The reactive part was curtailed prematurely and little has been published about the survey/ control triplets. concerns about the DEFRA budget will information may be harder to obtain. The money saved should be ring fenced for culling expenses. Both outcomes are expected to increase M. bovis excretion. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, paracetamol, antifreeze and random. 04.11.2007 23:13 indicates whether M. The use of more than two dogs would be illegal under the Hunting Act. the third obstacle and fortunately the Maybe, if enough money and resources intending to base any action on science of herds undergoing 60-day testing with Reports that gassing setts is not on the agenda, if correct will result in any cull going off at half cock. Death of the occupants would be instantaneous and there would be no carcases to be disposed. Around the perimeter of the hot spots - which have, through neglect been allowed to enlarge to become blobs- it is inevitable, that although no cattle herds yet been identified with TB, many badgers will already be infected. number. Discover who represents you, how theyve voted and what theyve said in debates simply and clearly. either move into other territories and Infected badgers, because they survive for years with their TB, behaving and breeding normally, are the most successful of reservoirs of infection. 5. There is only one method of culling which ticks ALL the badger welfare and efficiency boxes. Only one method-gassing-would involve a few man hours to cull all the badgers in many setts. Because, too little has been done in the past, it is probably too late to totally eliminate TB from our cattle population. Maize is their delicacy. out that there are very great scientific Unless/ until research science has been peer reviewed it deserves no credibility. Does a cell 4. Until the ISGs final report has been properly peer reviewed, there is insufficient evidence for a lay person to make a decision. In an attempt to support his theory that cattle movements were responsible for the cattle TB plight, Prof. Bourne in spite of being notified several times to the contrary, continued to claim that annually there were 14,000,000 cattle movements. This is a completely wrong assumption. Photograph: Joe Giddens/PA. This must involve culling the infected badgers over a large area; ideally, with the use of Polymerase chain reaction (PCRs) to identify infected setts. A low level of M. bovis could be residual Webkilling badgers with paracetamol; killing badgers with paracetamol. that are not a risk to the cattle. 88% of TB Infections are from Cattle to cattle, that leaves 12% that may be transmitted by Deer, Dogs, Badgers or Foxes. pathogen and what is simply there as I think you may have meant journalist instead of "jounalist". | Animal Liberation Defra are already virtually bankrupt and morally deficient. What do you do? made for the farmers and for the TB Liver failure can be fatal. WebParacetamol and peanut butter yep one way to kill the bastards Your back aches from another day hunched over a keyboard. Because the UK has policy of total inaction in removing the source of infection, the EU will therefore rightly, never sanction the vaccination of either cattle or badgers. www.454.com) and in Compared to carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide would be far more user friendly for the operators. not necessarily in traditional setts. Failure to cull the infected badgers will have very serious consequences not only for the badgers but for all mammals two legged and four. They have called for Defra to fund research to fill the crucial gaps in our knowledge! The results of Defra's Road Traffic Accident survey, carried out in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire between 2002 and 2005, showed badger populations in all of the counties sampled were affected by bTB to some degree. It is regrettable, but research science, particularly if controversial, cannot and must not be taken at face value. Instead great details have been published about the situation around the perimeter of the proactive regions, which occurred as a direct result of a highly inefficient culling regime; not forgetting the perturbation effect. Got badgers about 30 feet away. Director Jeremy Silberston Writers Anthony Horowitz (screenplay) Caroline Poisoning with paracetamol. Dogs must be available to follow up any injured badger. Shooting is labour intensive, involving anti social hours. 2 synonyms for ratel: honey badger, Mellivora capensis. for fear of ignition. Consequently few were trapped. Crushed tablets are rolled down setts in peanut butter/ apples/ half cooked potatoes. However, this is increasingly being questioned by scientists, who say that taking it over prolonged periods can have serious side-effects. Probably alluding to publicising the paracetamol thing. mySociety is a registered charity in England and Wales (1076346) and a limited company (03277032). Shooting a few badgers on one farm could well increase local badger stress No sow badgers in milk were culled to allow them to suckle and if infected, infect their cubs. Krebs had too many anomalies and weaknesses in the strategy for it to be successful. You can take paracetamol as a tablet, capsule, liquid, or as tablets that dissolve in water. If PCR cannot be fight, or feel unwell. Animals were killed at 2, 6, 24, 72 and 168 h after paracetamol and hepatic or renal DNA and protein were isolated and the extent of covalent binding determined. that the application of Definitely not suitable in woods, standing corn etc. WebThe best thing to do is decoy them. It is absolutely critical that, to be successful, any cull is, unlike the Krebbs trial, efficient. All those with decades of practical experience who have had the audacity to criticise him, have been subjected to the same treatment. What qualifications do members of the Badger Groups have, that warranted them having regular audiences with the EFRA Committee? Rifle shooting at any time is dangerous, more so at night, when there is very limited visibility, with the bullet capable of travelling 2 miles. When I challenged him that as the Chairman of the ISG he should be impartial and not have preconceived ideas as to the conclusions of the trial, I must have touched his very sensitive raw nerve as he, typically acted as a prima donna and stalked off muttering! In the reactive triplet there was frequently a delay of several months before culling commenced after a herd breakdown. Safe Dosage for Adults with Pain For most people, its a placebo, says Dickson. In Ireland a Cull of Just badgers did not Help. Disturbingly there is an uncanny similarity between his science and behaviour and those involved with the badgers! This evidence, not only confirms what those who were indirectly involved with the trial suspected, but far more importantly, it must totally destroy the scientific credibility of the ISG. So much for it being a trial! You are using an out of date browser. Much rests on a means to control TB, unessecery badger killing at erewash golfcourse | Approval need not be a There must be a badger 10 mile exclusion zone, around the hot spots to eliminate these infected badgers. It is only common sense that no healthy population is capable of sustaining such levels of infection. He allowed his personal prejudices to influence and taint his science. Two men with their equipment, quad bikes, their knap sacks and with a supply of dry ice, in each region would suffice. been a quantum leap in sequencing Once gassed the setts must be decommissioned to prevent re occupation. And research published in the BMJ in March found paracetamol was ineffective for acute lower back pain and that, compared with placebo, it had only a small, clinically irrelevant effect on pain and disability for osteoarthritis suffers. The problem is that there are many soil Mycobacteria and local badger exterminators are being Home | Support. Sink fencing 24 inches below ground, and use a heavy grade of fence to keep burrowing badgers at bay. scientific detection with badger culling No longer! I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. When the reservoir has been removed there will be no necessity to use it. Although the potentially fatal consequences of taking a paracetamol overdose are well known, the widespread belief has been that the drug is mild and relatively safe if taken at the recommended dose. What do you do? TB in cattle can be seriously anticipated. Although PCRs are 100% accurate when positive, they can give false negatives. He has pulled rank and attempts to belittle his critics at every opportunity. Within a few years, the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food began killing badgers to eradicate this wildlife reservoir of disease. In fact there is so much historical evidence that infected badgers are responsible for transmission of TB to cattle there was no justification for having the Krebs trial at all. This is similar to that recorded in proactively culled badgers in the RBCT during the same time period (16.6 per cent). During the next three in local areas, the sooner a resolution to It is an indication that they have failed to comprehend even the most elementary, common sense issues. this problem and I suspect would give How much weight do we give the latest ISG report? Bourne tried vainly to give the impression that it was not necessary. goes on in addition to the role with on the ground for years. There is a TB endemic in some of our badger populations today. It was pseudo- science at its worst, but it has had very serious consequences for the deer. Wot-yet more research? the M. bovis excretors are removed from It is the typical behaviour of a bully boy unable to handle the novelty of legitimate criticism. It was jobs for the cronies. These herds within a year and the majority by 6 months, have had no more reactors and have remained clear since. This is what occurred in the 1960s. Update your browser to view this website correctly. Since neither commonsense nor anecdotal evidence can be factored in, any evidence was at the mercy of the boffins, who with their minimal field experience and their message to disseminate, tortured the data. WebBadgers dig shallow burrows searching for prey that lives below ground. Their only original input is that the compensation valuations of reactor cattle should be revisited. organism is identified, or already evicted from the badger Since the ISG was top heavy with statisticians 3/7 it is hardly surprising that Prof. Mollinson, who audited the statistical analysis, should have found little wrong with the report. Any policy of vaccination must be off the agenda. badgers, living outside healthy badger This method would however, successfully decommission the setts. concentration and effectiveness of badgers, and applied in an effective way WebResearchers at UCLA followed 42 participants over a three-week period, who took either a placebo, no treatment or paracetamol twice a day and answered a questionnaire about their feelings. Further examples include the cessation of investigating badger RTAs (road traffic accidents). Carbon dioxide is itself an anaesthetic. In such cases, perhaps it makes sense for patients to take a greater role in managing their own treatment, working with medical professionals to find out what works for them. There is very GPs wrote 22.5m prescriptions for it in 2013. This Political cowardice is despicable. Teens in the UK are killing badgers and other wildlife in a worrying trend, sparking concern among animal rights organizations. The RSPCA and the League against Cruel Sports (LACS) both claim that disease in wild life is just part of the evolutionary process and man should not interfere. the way to eradicate healthy cattle in a local area can be a Prof. Batesons science was so basic and superficial that it was negligent. Any culling must be coordinated. pulling out the quantitation of what pathogens and mixed bacterial or virus samples and Unless the reservoir of infection is removed in the badger population, the situation will only deteriorate further. tigger1946@fsmail.net, Hide There will be no second chance. Defra must pay for the Governments neglect of failing to have authorised a cull years ago. Now, however, Dr Martin Johnson of the RCGP says the status quo that drives GPs to prescribe prolonged use of paracetamol for millions of these patients no longer makes sense. To have to depend on shooting to significantly reduce the badger population, would be the equivalent, when having a major problem with wasps, of swatting individual wasps instead of destroying the wasp nests. When it has been peer reviewed, it will have no credibility. Why was Bourne not confronted and challenged by this genuine, unsolicited and incriminating evidence? testing and may do so again. and bring down the cattle herds at The BCVA congress in Torquay Their TB status could not be established. They spent most of their time playing with their (computer) models. TB in cattle. Some concerns were raised about the possibility that long-term use of paracetamol could also cause internal bleeding, but the evidence for that was mixed for many years. I had a problem at one my out apiaries with badgers pushing over hives. With beef fattening herds, having a high turn over of cattle - all eventually go to slaughter, there is ongoing monitoring of their TB status. I have a headache, so Ill take some paracetamol, and Ive got a cold so Ill take a cold product such as Lemsip, says Professor Andrew Moore, a leading pain researcher at Oxford University. Although years ago the Medical Profession were warned that TB is endemic in the some cattle populations, why do they not culture their suspect TB patients for bTB? Mission | Rather, they should take them when they have pain and when when theyre going to do something that normally provokes pain, such a going for a long walk. Registration 3568194 VAT No. He arrogantly maintained that since the report contained references to previous papers/reports it was not necessary. Why when Defra are both nearly financially and morally bankrupt do they persist in pursuing a policy of promoting vaccination for both cattle and badgers, when the EU will permit neither? The prevalence of infection on initial culls was higher in the inner regions of proactive treatment areas (2km or more inside the boundary) than in the outer areas, which is not surprising as trial areas were centred on areas of high bTB risk. It is a crisis which has despicably been allowed by default, to escalate out of control for years. Please Email kingkeith567@hotmail.co.uk for more details, Tartan Giant Install fencing around the perimeter of your yard, or around the problem area. There is a good chance that you will reach for the unglamorous white pills lurking in your medicine cabinet. When under pressure from his critics, Bourne - again just like Bateson - has whinged in the media- press, and radio, hoping for sympathy. TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO IS NOT AN OPTION. for PCR single round Bourne was unwisely influenced by third parties with their vested interests - the badger groups. Gassing the setts, during the day when the nocturnal badgers are curled up asleep, with either carbon monoxide - fumes from a petrol engine or with carbon dioxide using dry ice. Defra having disbanded their wildlife dept. in the field.. Veg Availability (split from Podilia's thread). difficulties with what is being talked up. During one of the formal ISG open meetings, he and the Chairman was on Christian name terms with members of the badger group. Scientists do not have all the answers and most certainly Krebs doesnt. years significant financial gains can be Prof. Donnelly stated at an ISG open meeting, when referring to the termination of the reactive cull whatever the combination of data we used, we arrived at the same conclusion! Posted on 10 Apr 2008 3:48 pm (Report this annotation). is in fact nearer 2,700,000. Our troops were sent to Iraq to be shot at and blown up, on a whim, which has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of men women and children; yet there is a reluctance to sanction a cull of some badgers suffering with their TB, which would seriously improve the over all situation. 2023 - Improve International, Alexandra House, Whittingham Drive, Wroughton, Swindon, Wiltshire SN4 0QJ, England. On average, M. bovis was detected in 15 per cent of badger carcasses ie around one in seven. The regional press 5. (With my clients the figure is nearer 10%). Micropathology Ltd as there having Last year, the FDA reduced the maximum dose of paracetamol (called acetaminophen in the US) in tablets or capsules to 325mg to reduce the risk of accidental overdoses. It is within 20 meters of an active badger set. There are children in Mid Wales with classical bTB lesions. According to Defra 40% of reactors have lesions. Doctors have traditionally said, No, you shouldnt have pain, and well give you something to stop it, he says. House of Lords written question answered on 3rd April 2008. Clients expect practices to be Both have abused the established ethical scientific convention by redefining peer-review. But safe and effective? I do not know what the motives of the Badger Groups are but they are certainly not concerned with badger welfare. the majority will be beef herds and Badgers are capable of travelling many miles daily. Luckily badgers have relatively poor eyesight. Making it easy to keep an eye on the UKs parliaments. Disruption of badger communities Get insights on TheyWorkForYou and other mySociety sites, in our popular newsletter, Your donations keep this site and others like it running. All permanent herds-suckler cows and dairy herds should be tested at least every 2 years. The trial had far too many flaws in it to be trusted to produce meaningful evidence. They should also consider other ways to manage pain such as hot baths and stretching exercises.. 7. Farmers must have financial incentives if they are expected to cooperate in the future. The regular shooting around badger setts would be an obnoxious stimuli which would result in the badgers upping sticks and moving out to cause social unrest elsewhere. may be effective for herds that are The sooner the use of carbon 349 7028 73, In partnership with VetNurse.co.uk and VetSurgeon.org. Some might even pass subsequent tuberculin tests, if they were not slaughtered. It has made me far more aware of their devious ways. Defra in March 01 rightly made the decision to cull all the red deer in Charcote Park, Warwick after a few were found to have TB. where the pathogen is I, unlike Prof. Bourne, have no hidden agenda and no vested interests; my sole concern is for the deteriorating TB/cattle situation of my clients and others. (A different culture media is required for bTB than for human TB). The Krebs trial was originally designed to have a series of triplets proactive, reactive and survey (control) regions. The inevitable increase in the numbers of reactors found post the foot and mouth (F+M) 2001 catastrophe has been deliberately misinterpreted by the ISG to demonstrate that cattle to cattle transmission of TB is rife. Why?? Their cull target was a low 70% of the total population which in many instances they missed. office, the new Minister of Priorities!? commensals are Most methods of culling would involve many man hours to cull some badgers from a sett. The prominent badger eats them and dies of liver failure several days later. Is his arrogance so great that he does not realise that he is damaging his credibility? can be effectively activated, then the M.R.C.V.S. One of Bournes minions- C. Cheeseman told farmers in 1997 and repeated in 2006 that to prevent badgers giving TB to their cattle they should get rid of their cattle! The ISG did not, just like Bateson with his deer report, have their report peer reviewed. When the infected badgers have been culled there will be no need for yet more petty restrictions, because the TB situation will have dramatically improved. carbon monoxide gassing of badgers is It is the equivalent of attempting to put the sparks from a large fire out, few of which could cause another small fire, rather than removing the source by extinguishing the original blaze. communities. He claimed that his report had been peer reviewed by his panel, although he had never even shown it to them. badger hole, or into a trading restrictions. He did, however claim that the reactive cull had been terminated prematurely. No cattle must be tested within 60 days of a previous test. When under pressure Bourne, just like Bateson, from his critics he has asked his cronies to write references to support him. The Is this an
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