The KJV is familiar to most of us so naturally we prefer the familiar, but to place it on par with the original Greek manuscripts of the bible seems sacrilegious. Actually, the Christian apologist who says that BAR is wrong to point out the theological significance of omitting the ascension and the resurrection appearances in the corrupt Critical Text is himself naive. Andrew says on 27 May 2016. (..) 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth (..) 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. Codex Sinaiticus was discovered by Constantin von Tischendorf, a German evolutionist theologian, at St. Catherine's Monastery at Mount Sinai. The Codex Sinaiticus is allegedly 800 year older that that, and has had no special preservative treatment or conditions in all that time, yet the parchment condition is fresh, supple and un-oxidised. I want to cringe. Ignorance is one thing and may be forgiven, but a careless approach or deliberate twisting is another. Westcott and Hort highly valued the Romish texts -Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, as well as the doctrines of Rome above Protestant doctrine though they were publicly involved in the Protestant church. Im new to this discussion. So I suppose by repeating only one of Boltons amateurish mistakes, BAR is making progress. Thanks hope i will learn alot in this websiteBut i want to ask who translated The Amplified bible version? Some modern versions of the New Testament, based primarily on the Alexandrian Text, have drawn many readings into question even though the readings are affirmed in ancient patristic compositions and are supported by the overwhelming majority of manuscripts. Codex Vaticanus, gathering dust in the Vatican library since the 1500s and Codex Sinaiticus, rescued from a trash can in St. Catherines monasteryused by Westcott and Hort to rewrite the KJV. Codex Sinaiticus Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be thy name, Thy kingdom come. Following is the story of how Tischendorf found the Codex Sinaiticus: Amen (Matthew 6:13). God has become a stigma in our society today, the lack of morality I think is a reflection of that stigma. The consequences of all this are serious and are far reachiing for the future of the Church.. In Jesus Name. The English translation of the Textus Receptus: But some of them were men from Cyprus and Cyrene, who, when they had come to Antioch, spoke to the Hellenists, preaching the Lord . The catholic church is a Roman institution of anti-Christ idolatry. Just a thought, but if the Sinai Bible was a fourth century record of the New Testament, and the modern canon came about under Athanasius at around 390AD, then doesnt it suggest that a lot of our modern Bible was filled in by the likes of Athanasius late in the fourth century, just before the text was canonized. Manuscripts such as the famous Codex Sinaiticus (01) and Codex Vaticanus (03, also known as B) of the fourth century C.E. A salvaged page of the Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherines Monastery recovered in 1975. There is really no difference in the basic doctrinal message and only a few details are really differentnothing that would affect anyones faith or salvation. Being added to the church of Christ 2014. after having many different translations. How do the >English< translations of Mark 16.1-14 match word for word in KJV and , yet don't in Matt 6.9-13? Then We sent after them our apostles and We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy; and monasticism, they invented it. power of God to prevail over the unclean things of the spirits [or: I just love it when people cannot think outside of their TV dinner box and read ONE thing and run with it, yet they never believe what the Bible says. Chuck said that the reason that many of these older manuscripts survived was because the early church did not trust them and so, they werent used and spared the damage which would have normally occurred to documents in continuous use. Codex Sinaiticus was made in the 4th century on parchment using capital letters (a manuscript in all capitals is called an "uncial"). How does it compare to the MSS? Mystery Babylon that the apostle John writes of in the Unveiling of Christ (Revelation). Such a production line was slow and laborious and costly. Those wanting to use the Greek manuscripts needs to consult the fact that these were Yisraelis writing, not Greek and the language would have been written in Hebrew. I believe GOD has preserved his word as he said he would . In the end I wonder,was this truly a omission,or could there be illness,war,fire or any other disasters?? Pilate flatly told the Jewish leaders that he found NO FAULT in this man. They cant all be simultaneously true so it is important to seek out the truth. Steve, you have the DNA of GOD in you. To answer your questions in order, 1) The source of the text underlying most English translations today would be some combination of Greek texts as produced from primarily the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus Manuscripts by Nestle/Aland or United Bible Societies. Excellent information. After 10 minutes of conversation see who remembers exactly what was said 8 minutes ago. He had claimed to be God equal with God, and they had tried on a number of occasions to stone HIm, just as Moses had said they should for a charge of blasphemyas long as two or three witnesses could testify. Dig into the illuminating world of the Bible with a BAS All-Access membership. Constantine Tischendorf was a false teacher, like one of the ones Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, warned about. It was found in the Cairo environs with evidence of origin in the 4th or 5th century, right around the time of Athanasius but l wont jump to any conclusions. One needs to study the various Codices and again ask why have certain critical aspects like (1) Jesus Christ being part of the Godhead, or (2) that we are saved only through Jesus Christ and his blood atoning sacrifice for our sins, have been changed or completely left out? You are right about charity. The massacres are implied in Revelation, so this was written by John shortly afterwards, before Jerusalem fell to the Roman army.. It should be noted, for starters, that the four pages containing Mark 15:54b-Luke 1:56a were not produced by the same copyist who wrote the text on the surrounding pages. Just as a defective plant does not grow but dies so is the nonbeliever already dead. Even back then there was an undue political influence and the personal interests of committee members affected the outcome No other ancient writing comes close to having this much evidence for its accuracy. These all have been traced (by liberal and conservative scholars alike) to a probable source in Alexandria, Egypt, in the 2nd or 3rd century. Additionally, Mark 1:1 in the original hand omits reference to Jesus as the Son of God. The Good Friday reading indeed ends with Sore afraid were they for. Not difficult to imagine the copying at an Imperial scriptorium soon after Christianity became Romes state religion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukRCVDmiAts. It ought to be a foregone conclusion, then, that Sinaiticus has a better text of Revelation 22:10-21 than the Textus Receptus has. Then that history was erased, and replaced with the gosple account agreeable to the era? Ive now forgotten where and cannot find it. Two men who did not believe the scriptures were inerrant, who conducted seances, who did not believe in the miracles of Christ and who were enamored of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution. This is just not possible, for there is no mention of the catastrophe in Rome when these apostles and most of the other Christians were cruelly massacred late in Neros reign. Two hundred years after Constantine Tischendorfs birth, questions remain as to the conditions of his removal of Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherines Monastery. This is history. But the fact remains I do not have a million dollars. Why dont you do another article comparing all the similarities of the CS with other early manuscripts? From which scriptures did he translate? Denominations and denominationalism are two different things that are not based on the integrity of the New Testament record. In the Lords prayer, it is well known for centuries in the church that Yours is the kingdom and power and glory were not in the original text. Denominationalism must be blamed on our own selfish ambitions and vain conceit as Paul describes in Philippians 2.3, when we ignore Scripture as many Christians often do. See the works of Dr.Ivan Panin on internet concerning this and other issues.. BAS seems to use the Codex when it suits the notion that Yeshua was not the Son of God. (re Luke. And that was only a few years after it occured. The title says it all, and the constant attack on Gods Holy word to us by many. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. I really enjoyed the side-by-side comparison; its clear that scribes through time have substantially modified the text. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only.. But also the TaNaKh which gives the OT a different structure to consider, especially when you talk about prophets. So it got past Mark 16:9, but I do not know for certain if it reached 16:20. The textus receptus is based of all older manuscripts that are fairly consistent. True followers of Jesus Christ are lead by the power of the Holy Spirit. That leaves only Matthew 28:19 to support the doctrine of the Trinity. Until you have a personal experience of being filled with the Holy Spirit, you cannot see the truth. So I have only recently come across the codex sinaiticus, which has led me here, and Its been enlightening to read all of these comments and opinions, from all of you quite educated and well versed people. But regarding Mark, I would to point out another consideration. I believe youll find that no one every spoke like Jesus, because Jesus was more than a man. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. But it would be fair for an annotated version of the Bible to include reference to Dig into more than 9,000 articles in the Biblical Archaeology Societys vast library plus much morewith an All-Access pass. Surely you know. They are significant. It doesnt alter Christian theology to include it. Some of them date back to just 60-70 years from the original manuscript! the Majority Texts (Textus Receptus), and . I am mainly interested in all the verses that were not in the oldest manuscripts. We have recently reviewed the biblical texts and corrected any apparent mistakes. The Sinaitic Syriac does not have this long conclusion either, adding further evidence that the long conclusion is a later addition and was not originally part of Marks Gospel. Instead.the Gospels end with a message of hope, (The Epilogue at the end of John was probably added later by a follower of Peter.) We did not command ityet We bestowed on those among them who believed, their due reward, but many of them are rebellious.. When the film was made the producers had to create the speach as no one remembered what brooks had said. Blessings to you! Let us fear God and love Him and treat His word with more respect. https://books.google.com/books/about/In_the_Beginning.html?id=C8Nw_SN2zgYC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false. Theres also another question which IS academic but also glossed over: This is old news for many. terrible things draw near. It was discovered in the 19th century, surpassing Vaticanus as the most complete manuscript. The case of using the Dead Sea Scrolls to modify the Masoretic text is no different. does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand And presto, what do we have today? The codex sin was proven to be a fraudulent in court. It cuts to the heart in a way the other versions never did. Same guy that established the doctrine of the Trinity, btw. It was the most commonly used text type for Protestant denominations.. The Textus Receptus constituted the translation-base for the original German Luther Bible, the translation of the New Testament into English by William . Near enough is good enough. And no less so today. (If youd like to learn something about the ending of Mark in Codex Sinaiticus, by the way, I have some research about that I would gladly share. We wont,we will always make asumptions based in what we have and might never been correct. This cannot be an unblemished codex. Those manuscripts used as originals in this business wore out very quickly, those used in worship or sold on for private devotions lasted longer, but not for centuries unless unused. What is His name, and what is His Sons name? We know the Catholics hated the Bible then and even today. Interpretation is of God also. If somebody takes one of those dollar coins, it still looks like a lot money and I almost have a million dollars. In addition, I dont think Id ever forget them, because theyre life changing. These two facts should be enough to get your mind thinking whether you have made a right judgement in your comment proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus Unless I am mistaken, I have not seen the book of Daniel in the codex sinaticus. Each will find their own way. The fact all four codices, discovered in four separate places and times, all agree with one another suggests Textus Receptus (Desiderius Erasmus Roterodamus) ADDED them in the 16th century AD. Dating to the mid-fourth century C.E., Codex Sinaiticus is the oldest complete manuscript of the New Testament. It is known by other names, such as the Traditional Text, Majority Text, Byzantine Text, or Syrian Text. Mark 1.41 MISTAKE. For the benefit of all who may have been following the discussion pertinent to the period of the Judges relevant to Acts 13:20 you will recall that The Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus were held up as being the correct scriptures to follow when considering the correct understanding of Acts 13:20. Just like the serpent was doing the devils dirty work in the Garden of Eden where God walked and talked with our first parents, (and conquered for a time), so too the devil has had his agents working to subvert and pervert Scripturelittle by little, line by line, here a little there a little over many centuries. Since then, many editions of the Greek New Testament have been published. He claims that the gospels were written after the deaths of Peter and Paul. According to James Bentley, Tischendorf was not troubled by the omission of the resurrection in Mark because he believed that Matthew was written first and that Marks gospel was an abridged version of Matthews gospel. Set it in stone rag. When it comes to a consideration of the authenticity of Siniaticus and Vaticanus, few academics seem to ask some very basic non-academic but practical questions such as: The problem here is would you rather have translations from the 10th centurey or the 4th century (as they became available) which are more removed from Catholic theological bias. Please give a link that is based on literature and that would show the inauthenticity of Codex Sinaiticus. The olympic hockey team that beat russia was given a talk by brooks in the locker room during the victory celebration. So, you admit there are serious problems with Sinaiticus bibles and also that the only thing of importance to you is you can still be saved using these bibles. Now we all know what we have been told about the manuscripts upon which the Textus Receptus was based: they were "The feeblest of manuscript resources" and "Late medieval manuscripts of inferior quality" and so forth.But this collides with what we see in John 6:65-7:16, where minuscule 4 has less corruption than Codex Sinaiticus. However, it is not . Earlier? Absolutely NOTHING is missing from any of the Uncial Codices Vaticanus c. 325350, Sinaiticus c. 330360, Alexandrinus c. 400440 or Ephraemi c. 450. The idea that older is automatically better has deceived many people when it comes to this text that was found by Tischendorf and used by Westcott and Hort and the like. He discovered the first part in 1844 and the second part in 1859. However, in 1881 scholars Westcott and Hort published a new Greek New Testament text that included the findings of Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus. I recommend The forging of Codex Siniaticus by Bill Cooper. These . (The King James Version and New King James Version are based on the Textus Receptus.) I didnt want to put it with other translations on my bookshelves lest someone read it unawares and was led astray, but I did not feel comfortable destroying it so I hid it. Nevertheless, for many readers and contributors to this forum, there are things in that entry which they might not agree with; others might not bat an eye. If I have 999, 999 dollar coins, one may conclude that I am a millionaire, even I might. For obvious reasons, the Textus Receptus is also referred to as the "Majority Text" since the majority (95% or more) of existing manuscripts support this reading. Textus Receptus Definition The King James Version of the Bible, the best-selling Bible of all time, was translated using the Textus Receptus. Here is Matthew 16:14. And for those who have sinned I was But do it with a sincerely open mind. https://www.faraboveall.com/015_Textual/SinVat_Galatians.pdf How else could it be that no copies of these manuscripts, not even on small fragments, have been discovered? WHAT IS HIS SONS NAME? In 2003 he published a 200-page study of nine of the Bibles most widely in use in the English-speaking world.* His study examined several passages of Scripture that are controversial, for that is where bias is most likely to interfere with translation. For each passage, he compared the Greek text with the renderings of each English translation, and he looked for biased attempts to change the meaning. "Textus Receptus Only"/"Received Text Only" - This group holds the position that the traditional Greek texts represented in the Textus Receptus were supernaturally (or providentially) preserved and that other Greek manuscripts not used in this compilation may be flawed. As Rodney King said, Cant we all just get along? Actually at least to me it does seem to be more important to be able to get along than to be right, however right is defined. this same author states The practical effect of the W-H theory was a complete rejection of the Syrian text and an almost exclusive preference for the Neutral text (equals B and Aleph). If I misquote the Prime minister of my country just by a little bit, publicly, and insist that my quote is what he said, even when it is pointed out that I got it wrong, will I be excused by the Chief Prosecutor for the Government? Combine a one-year tablet and print subscription to BAR with membership in the BAS Library to start your journey into the ancient past today! The All-Access membership pass is the way to get to know the Bible through biblical archaeology. Any Greek representation of the New Testament is not factual as to the true text. Taken as a whole the dates and breath of manuscripts give a clear reliable picture of the gospel that Christians hold to. Those Jewish leaders I dare say would have been far more familiar with the OT than you or I have ever been. Thank you for pointing out these issues.
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